Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Chris Schuck's avatar

Thank you again for doing this with the regular subscribers. I still have to read the rest of the chapter, but a couple quick pieces of feedback:

- Personally, I'm fine with you putting as many passages and prompts and screenshots in the posts here; I like the idea that we're more or less tracking what you're posting over at Threadable (though of course if that creates more work and it's not just simple cutting and pasting, please don't feel obliged!). I can always ignore what I don't have time for and some weeks I may not even chime in.

-What would be helpful, though, is to separate out more cleanly your own (non-question) running commentary and observations, and Threadable screenshots, from the specific prompts and questions we would be responding to. Right now it all seems mixed together randomly - bullet-point commentary interpersed with prompts that don't follow obviously from the previous bullet - so it's potentially a little disorienting. I think it might be easier if you just did all your own commentary first, and then had the shorter prompts+questions at the end for us to sift through. Just my own feeling but maybe others differ.

-As for timeline, I assume a week is the longest we should take to respond since you will be moving onto a new reading anyway, and we certainly don't want to create additional work for you keeping up with back posts on older readings. Unless you really don't care. I have no sense of what volume of people is following either here or on Threadable.

Hope this helps.

Expand full comment
Chris Schuck's avatar

So, one initial response to your first prompt from the Linklater chapter:

[“The way you own the earth requires the agreement of your neighbors, the society you live in, and the government of your country. In a very fundamental way, it is the glue that holds a community together. **And every society agrees that it cannot in fact be owned.”**]

I found this particular passage a bit confusing and even counterintuitive when I first read, so I'm glad you included it. The chapter seems to be foreshadowing how land's unique status as a set of collective obligations, "the glue that holds a community together, will be eroded or perverted by the new ideology of private ownership. But then he throws this rhetorical curveball that in fact, owning the *earth* is not a coherent or recognized concept; only owning whatever relates to use of that earth. So he's making two simultaneous distinctions: an exclusive (individual) vs. shared (communal) form of ownership, and owning rights (legitimate) vs. owning land (not legitimate).

I didn't quite understand why he needed to suddenly emphasize this subtle difference, which qualifies or even walks back what was implied earlier, when it doesn't come up in the rest of the chapter anyway. Is his point simply that people began to treat individual property rights *as if* that equaled individual "earth" ownership, so the legal distinction would eventually collapse? Or, that it wasn't necessary to own the actual ground for the ideology to have its pernicious effects? Maybe I'm overanalyzing this, but it just felt discontinuous with the rest.

Expand full comment
19 more comments...

No posts