I'm a late to this party but will do my best to get up to speed. I cannot download Threadable (running a PC) but have requested the Estes and Linklater books via interlibrary loan. The Henry George book is currently available at the local university library and I hope to pick it up either tomorrow or Monday.
This is a critically important topic and my goal before shuffling off this mortal coil is to radically transform the consciousness of every human being on the planet so that we might live with gratefulness and in full reciprocity with nature . I hope to have this humble little project wrapped up by next Halloween so that I can move on to some long overdue plumbing repairs.
Oct 15, 2022·edited Oct 15, 2022Liked by Antonia Malchik
Finally got around to this. Thanks for starting it. I have vision issues that make using it on the iPhone more or less impossible and cannot get the app on my PC. Is there any way to replicate what was being discussed here?
I have long told people that the most easily discernible roots of our current issues go back to the Enclosures. That's only true for our particular thread of history of course, though there were analogous episodes elsewhere. What I don't see in the discussion - to the extent I could read it - is any ideas about the connection of the English feudal system that Linklater describes (and, as others said I think, tends to romanticize) to its early roots. Our "frost-bitten" forebears (as Robinson Jeffers called them) must have evolved through some version of a "gift economy" or reciprocity, which was what they found and attempted to wipe out when they landed here. And while they had to try to wipe out the indigenous folks for practical reasons (from their perspective) what they also had to do was wipe out a story (a myth) that was inconsistent with theirs. So, there is a question that I ponder about how we lost the story of a reciprocal community life, full of mutual obligation. Linklater shows how it was still there in the Commons before the enclosures but how did the sense of self that led to the enclosures come about? Private land is a reflection or a symptom of individualism, not the cause. Did it go back to the idea of individual salvation. or what?
Love this and look forward to the conversation. I thought of your work and a source that is lighthearted but so lovely to consider: Snufkin, from the Moomintroll books. I can't recall which one, but he has a fight with the police man over no trespassing signs, and does everything to take them down and foil attempts at enforcing private property. It's so subversive and great--Tove Jansson was a rebel through and through.
Oct 7, 2022·edited Oct 7, 2022Liked by Antonia Malchik
Not to get too meta, but it would be really cool to observe the secondary dialogical "conversation" between the Threadable threads, and the one here! Not for me (one conversation is all I can handle in this context), but maybe for you later as part of your research; you could go back to the two parallel conversations with fresh eyes and examine how they link up. Maybe I joked about this already in one of your earlier posts as dueling banjos, don't recall exactly.
And I hope it would be fine to dip in and out in terms of participation, as time might not allow some weeks. Thanks so much for doing this, it's a great idea.
Congrats on the partnership! Seems like it will be a very intellectually enriching experience - connecting disparate dots of information and studying their linkages is always eye opening from my experience. 👌👌👌
Ooh, that looks excellent! Just downloaded the episode on land trusts--thank you, Julie!
Good morning! I ran across this podcast and thought of you. It's from (Instagram) @lylajune a PhD architect specializing in indigenous knowledge, indigenous land management, and excavating hidden history https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beata-tsosie-the-poetry-of-land-liberation/id1591832998?i=1000585758037
I'm a late to this party but will do my best to get up to speed. I cannot download Threadable (running a PC) but have requested the Estes and Linklater books via interlibrary loan. The Henry George book is currently available at the local university library and I hope to pick it up either tomorrow or Monday.
This is a critically important topic and my goal before shuffling off this mortal coil is to radically transform the consciousness of every human being on the planet so that we might live with gratefulness and in full reciprocity with nature . I hope to have this humble little project wrapped up by next Halloween so that I can move on to some long overdue plumbing repairs.
Finally got around to this. Thanks for starting it. I have vision issues that make using it on the iPhone more or less impossible and cannot get the app on my PC. Is there any way to replicate what was being discussed here?
I have long told people that the most easily discernible roots of our current issues go back to the Enclosures. That's only true for our particular thread of history of course, though there were analogous episodes elsewhere. What I don't see in the discussion - to the extent I could read it - is any ideas about the connection of the English feudal system that Linklater describes (and, as others said I think, tends to romanticize) to its early roots. Our "frost-bitten" forebears (as Robinson Jeffers called them) must have evolved through some version of a "gift economy" or reciprocity, which was what they found and attempted to wipe out when they landed here. And while they had to try to wipe out the indigenous folks for practical reasons (from their perspective) what they also had to do was wipe out a story (a myth) that was inconsistent with theirs. So, there is a question that I ponder about how we lost the story of a reciprocal community life, full of mutual obligation. Linklater shows how it was still there in the Commons before the enclosures but how did the sense of self that led to the enclosures come about? Private land is a reflection or a symptom of individualism, not the cause. Did it go back to the idea of individual salvation. or what?
I'm looking forward to our readings and discussions, Nia!
Love this and look forward to the conversation. I thought of your work and a source that is lighthearted but so lovely to consider: Snufkin, from the Moomintroll books. I can't recall which one, but he has a fight with the police man over no trespassing signs, and does everything to take them down and foil attempts at enforcing private property. It's so subversive and great--Tove Jansson was a rebel through and through.
I don't have an iPhone, but I do have a Mac. I'll try downloading Threadable on that. This is a really cool project.
Love this Antonia and really excited to read together!
Hi Antonia, Threadbare is asking for an 'invite code' to join a reading circle...
This sounds like a fascinating and audacious project. I hope to be able to participate
Not to get too meta, but it would be really cool to observe the secondary dialogical "conversation" between the Threadable threads, and the one here! Not for me (one conversation is all I can handle in this context), but maybe for you later as part of your research; you could go back to the two parallel conversations with fresh eyes and examine how they link up. Maybe I joked about this already in one of your earlier posts as dueling banjos, don't recall exactly.
And I hope it would be fine to dip in and out in terms of participation, as time might not allow some weeks. Thanks so much for doing this, it's a great idea.
This sounds amazing. I used the link and downloaded the app but it is asking me for a five digit invite code for the circle. Could I have that code?
Come to think of it, I haven't actually read the papal bull in question.
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i'm game
Congrats on the partnership! Seems like it will be a very intellectually enriching experience - connecting disparate dots of information and studying their linkages is always eye opening from my experience. 👌👌👌